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A new home for basho/cuttlefish

Luke Bakken-2
Hi again everyone -

Apologies for not setting a subject in my first email.

Of course this is Bet365's decision. The purpose of this message
thread is to let people know that the RabbitMQ team is willing to
maintain cuttlefish. I also found the following more-up-to-date fork
and will be looking at the changes there -

https://github.com/Kyorai/cuttlefish

Thanks again!
Luke

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Bryan Hunt
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Luke,
>
> It’s for bet365 to make that decision.
>
> For the good of the general population the following would be nice:
>
> a) Upgrade to rebar3
> b) Upgrade Erlang version support so it compiles under Erlang 20 (if it doesn’t already)
> c) Package uploaded to hex.pm
>
> Bryan
>
>
>> On 27 Sep 2017, at 18:59, Luke Bakken <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Riak users -
>>
>> The next RabbitMQ release (3.7.0) will use cuttlefish for its
>> configuration. I'm writing to express interest on behalf of the
>> RabbitMQ team in taking over maintenance of the project. At the
>> moment, we forked cuttlefish to the RabbitMQ organization [0] to fix a
>> couple pressing issues. After that, it would be great if the
>> repository could be transferred to either its own, new organization or
>> to the RabbitMQ organization entirely. Basho transferred both
>> Webmachine and Lager to their own independent organizations, for
>> instance (github.com/webmachine, github.com/erlang-lager)
>>
>> Once transferred, GitHub will take care of all the necessary
>> redirections from the Basho organization to cuttlefish's new home.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Luke Bakken
>>
>> [0] - https://github.com/rabbitmq/cuttlefish

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Re: A new home for basho/cuttlefish

Heinz N. Gies
Hi Luke,
The Kyorai org is a collection of (ex)basho projects that have been forked and maintained outside of basho for a while now. While it was a bit of a scattered effort in the beginning the demise of basho ended up causing us to collect them in a central place.

How things go forward really depends a bit on how things go forward with riak and the basho PI, and the community around it.

Cheers,
Heinz

> On 27. Sep 2017, at 20:44, Luke Bakken <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi again everyone -
>
> Apologies for not setting a subject in my first email.
>
> Of course this is Bet365's decision. The purpose of this message
> thread is to let people know that the RabbitMQ team is willing to
> maintain cuttlefish. I also found the following more-up-to-date fork
> and will be looking at the changes there -
>
> https://github.com/Kyorai/cuttlefish
>
> Thanks again!
> Luke
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Bryan Hunt
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi Luke,
>>
>> It’s for bet365 to make that decision.
>>
>> For the good of the general population the following would be nice:
>>
>> a) Upgrade to rebar3
>> b) Upgrade Erlang version support so it compiles under Erlang 20 (if it doesn’t already)
>> c) Package uploaded to hex.pm
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>>
>>> On 27 Sep 2017, at 18:59, Luke Bakken <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Riak users -
>>>
>>> The next RabbitMQ release (3.7.0) will use cuttlefish for its
>>> configuration. I'm writing to express interest on behalf of the
>>> RabbitMQ team in taking over maintenance of the project. At the
>>> moment, we forked cuttlefish to the RabbitMQ organization [0] to fix a
>>> couple pressing issues. After that, it would be great if the
>>> repository could be transferred to either its own, new organization or
>>> to the RabbitMQ organization entirely. Basho transferred both
>>> Webmachine and Lager to their own independent organizations, for
>>> instance (github.com/webmachine, github.com/erlang-lager)
>>>
>>> Once transferred, GitHub will take care of all the necessary
>>> redirections from the Basho organization to cuttlefish's new home.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Luke Bakken
>>>
>>> [0] - https://github.com/rabbitmq/cuttlefish
>
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RE: A new home for basho/cuttlefish

Martin.Cox
Hello

Whilst bet365 did buy the Basho IP, they have emphasised that the entire catalogue of repositories is to be handed over to the community and that they are not intending to be an overarching authority on decision making, but will steer the project just as much as any other involved parties would. So, from my perspective, it is not a decision for bet365 to take, but for the community as a whole.

Personally, I don't see a lot of merit in moving the repo away from its current home at this point in time. Once the legal processes have concluded and people have the facility to manage the repository configurations, anyone interested in contributing and maintaining can be added - enabling the RabbitMQ team to work on Cuttlefish without the upheaval of moving repositories around. When the dust has settled, then revisit the question of spinning the project out into its own org.

What's everyone else's thoughts on this?

Martin Cox
Software Developer
Hillside (Technology) Limited
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From: riak-users [[hidden email]] on behalf of Heinz N. Gies [[hidden email]]
Sent: 27 September 2017 20:45
To: Luke Bakken
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: A new home for basho/cuttlefish

Hi Luke,
The Kyorai org is a collection of (ex)basho projects that have been forked and maintained outside of basho for a while now. While it was a bit of a scattered effort in the beginning the demise of basho ended up causing us to collect them in a central place.

How things go forward really depends a bit on how things go forward with riak and the basho PI, and the community around it.

Cheers,
Heinz

> On 27. Sep 2017, at 20:44, Luke Bakken <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi again everyone -
>
> Apologies for not setting a subject in my first email.
>
> Of course this is Bet365's decision. The purpose of this message
> thread is to let people know that the RabbitMQ team is willing to
> maintain cuttlefish. I also found the following more-up-to-date fork
> and will be looking at the changes there -
>
> https://github.com/Kyorai/cuttlefish
>
> Thanks again!
> Luke
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Bryan Hunt
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi Luke,
>>
>> It’s for bet365 to make that decision.
>>
>> For the good of the general population the following would be nice:
>>
>> a) Upgrade to rebar3
>> b) Upgrade Erlang version support so it compiles under Erlang 20 (if it doesn’t already)
>> c) Package uploaded to hex.pm
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>>
>>> On 27 Sep 2017, at 18:59, Luke Bakken <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Riak users -
>>>
>>> The next RabbitMQ release (3.7.0) will use cuttlefish for its
>>> configuration. I'm writing to express interest on behalf of the
>>> RabbitMQ team in taking over maintenance of the project. At the
>>> moment, we forked cuttlefish to the RabbitMQ organization [0] to fix a
>>> couple pressing issues. After that, it would be great if the
>>> repository could be transferred to either its own, new organization or
>>> to the RabbitMQ organization entirely. Basho transferred both
>>> Webmachine and Lager to their own independent organizations, for
>>> instance (github.com/webmachine, github.com/erlang-lager)
>>>
>>> Once transferred, GitHub will take care of all the necessary
>>> redirections from the Basho organization to cuttlefish's new home.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Luke Bakken
>>>
>>> [0] - https://github.com/rabbitmq/cuttlefish
>
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Re: A new home for basho/cuttlefish

Heinz N. Gies
Martin,
I fully agree. We started the Kyorai org log before it was public knowledge that bet365 (or anyone) would buy the IP of basho and done under the assumption that the basho repository would either be deleted or end up rotting there. The goal was/is to prevent fragmentation and give the community still using the repos a home where they can come together.

That said I think it’ll take some time getting everything back together. The repos there are currently the mirrors of what is on hex, and due to how hard it was to get changes merged to the basho repositories have all diverged to some degree or another. So there is work to be done to get it all back in sync. I can’t speak for the other people who maintain repos on Kyorai (so I suspect they feel the same) but I’d be eager to get it all back together and kill of forks.

Cheers,
Heinz

> On 28. Sep 2017, at 09:50, [hidden email] wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> Whilst bet365 did buy the Basho IP, they have emphasised that the entire catalogue of repositories is to be handed over to the community and that they are not intending to be an overarching authority on decision making, but will steer the project just as much as any other involved parties would. So, from my perspective, it is not a decision for bet365 to take, but for the community as a whole.
>
> Personally, I don't see a lot of merit in moving the repo away from its current home at this point in time. Once the legal processes have concluded and people have the facility to manage the repository configurations, anyone interested in contributing and maintaining can be added - enabling the RabbitMQ team to work on Cuttlefish without the upheaval of moving repositories around. When the dust has settled, then revisit the question of spinning the project out into its own org.
>
> What's everyone else's thoughts on this?
>
> Martin Cox
> Software Developer
> Hillside (Technology) Limited
> m: +44(0) 7585 990614
> t: +44(0) 8456 000 365
> e: [hidden email]
> bet365.com
>
> ________________________________________
> From: riak-users [[hidden email]] on behalf of Heinz N. Gies [[hidden email]]
> Sent: 27 September 2017 20:45
> To: Luke Bakken
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: A new home for basho/cuttlefish
>
> Hi Luke,
> The Kyorai org is a collection of (ex)basho projects that have been forked and maintained outside of basho for a while now. While it was a bit of a scattered effort in the beginning the demise of basho ended up causing us to collect them in a central place.
>
> How things go forward really depends a bit on how things go forward with riak and the basho PI, and the community around it.
>
> Cheers,
> Heinz
>
>> On 27. Sep 2017, at 20:44, Luke Bakken <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi again everyone -
>>
>> Apologies for not setting a subject in my first email.
>>
>> Of course this is Bet365's decision. The purpose of this message
>> thread is to let people know that the RabbitMQ team is willing to
>> maintain cuttlefish. I also found the following more-up-to-date fork
>> and will be looking at the changes there -
>>
>> https://github.com/Kyorai/cuttlefish
>>
>> Thanks again!
>> Luke
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Bryan Hunt
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hi Luke,
>>>
>>> It’s for bet365 to make that decision.
>>>
>>> For the good of the general population the following would be nice:
>>>
>>> a) Upgrade to rebar3
>>> b) Upgrade Erlang version support so it compiles under Erlang 20 (if it doesn’t already)
>>> c) Package uploaded to hex.pm
>>>
>>> Bryan
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 27 Sep 2017, at 18:59, Luke Bakken <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Riak users -
>>>>
>>>> The next RabbitMQ release (3.7.0) will use cuttlefish for its
>>>> configuration. I'm writing to express interest on behalf of the
>>>> RabbitMQ team in taking over maintenance of the project. At the
>>>> moment, we forked cuttlefish to the RabbitMQ organization [0] to fix a
>>>> couple pressing issues. After that, it would be great if the
>>>> repository could be transferred to either its own, new organization or
>>>> to the RabbitMQ organization entirely. Basho transferred both
>>>> Webmachine and Lager to their own independent organizations, for
>>>> instance (github.com/webmachine, github.com/erlang-lager)
>>>>
>>>> Once transferred, GitHub will take care of all the necessary
>>>> redirections from the Basho organization to cuttlefish's new home.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Luke Bakken
>>>>
>>>> [0] - https://github.com/rabbitmq/cuttlefish
>>
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Re: A new home for basho/cuttlefish

DeadZen
Less forks the better, agree

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Heinz N. Gies <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Martin,
> I fully agree. We started the Kyorai org log before it was public knowledge that bet365 (or anyone) would buy the IP of basho and done under the assumption that the basho repository would either be deleted or end up rotting there. The goal was/is to prevent fragmentation and give the community still using the repos a home where they can come together.
>
> That said I think it’ll take some time getting everything back together. The repos there are currently the mirrors of what is on hex, and due to how hard it was to get changes merged to the basho repositories have all diverged to some degree or another. So there is work to be done to get it all back in sync. I can’t speak for the other people who maintain repos on Kyorai (so I suspect they feel the same) but I’d be eager to get it all back together and kill of forks.
>
> Cheers,
> Heinz
>
>> On 28. Sep 2017, at 09:50, [hidden email] wrote:
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> Whilst bet365 did buy the Basho IP, they have emphasised that the entire catalogue of repositories is to be handed over to the community and that they are not intending to be an overarching authority on decision making, but will steer the project just as much as any other involved parties would. So, from my perspective, it is not a decision for bet365 to take, but for the community as a whole.
>>
>> Personally, I don't see a lot of merit in moving the repo away from its current home at this point in time. Once the legal processes have concluded and people have the facility to manage the repository configurations, anyone interested in contributing and maintaining can be added - enabling the RabbitMQ team to work on Cuttlefish without the upheaval of moving repositories around. When the dust has settled, then revisit the question of spinning the project out into its own org.
>>
>> What's everyone else's thoughts on this?
>>
>> Martin Cox
>> Software Developer
>> Hillside (Technology) Limited
>> m: +44(0) 7585 990614
>> t: +44(0) 8456 000 365
>> e: [hidden email]
>> bet365.com
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: riak-users [[hidden email]] on behalf of Heinz N. Gies [[hidden email]]
>> Sent: 27 September 2017 20:45
>> To: Luke Bakken
>> Cc: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: A new home for basho/cuttlefish
>>
>> Hi Luke,
>> The Kyorai org is a collection of (ex)basho projects that have been forked and maintained outside of basho for a while now. While it was a bit of a scattered effort in the beginning the demise of basho ended up causing us to collect them in a central place.
>>
>> How things go forward really depends a bit on how things go forward with riak and the basho PI, and the community around it.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Heinz
>>
>>> On 27. Sep 2017, at 20:44, Luke Bakken <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi again everyone -
>>>
>>> Apologies for not setting a subject in my first email.
>>>
>>> Of course this is Bet365's decision. The purpose of this message
>>> thread is to let people know that the RabbitMQ team is willing to
>>> maintain cuttlefish. I also found the following more-up-to-date fork
>>> and will be looking at the changes there -
>>>
>>> https://github.com/Kyorai/cuttlefish
>>>
>>> Thanks again!
>>> Luke
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Bryan Hunt
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Hi Luke,
>>>>
>>>> It’s for bet365 to make that decision.
>>>>
>>>> For the good of the general population the following would be nice:
>>>>
>>>> a) Upgrade to rebar3
>>>> b) Upgrade Erlang version support so it compiles under Erlang 20 (if it doesn’t already)
>>>> c) Package uploaded to hex.pm
>>>>
>>>> Bryan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 27 Sep 2017, at 18:59, Luke Bakken <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Riak users -
>>>>>
>>>>> The next RabbitMQ release (3.7.0) will use cuttlefish for its
>>>>> configuration. I'm writing to express interest on behalf of the
>>>>> RabbitMQ team in taking over maintenance of the project. At the
>>>>> moment, we forked cuttlefish to the RabbitMQ organization [0] to fix a
>>>>> couple pressing issues. After that, it would be great if the
>>>>> repository could be transferred to either its own, new organization or
>>>>> to the RabbitMQ organization entirely. Basho transferred both
>>>>> Webmachine and Lager to their own independent organizations, for
>>>>> instance (github.com/webmachine, github.com/erlang-lager)
>>>>>
>>>>> Once transferred, GitHub will take care of all the necessary
>>>>> redirections from the Basho organization to cuttlefish's new home.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Luke Bakken
>>>>>
>>>>> [0] - https://github.com/rabbitmq/cuttlefish
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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Re: A new home for basho/cuttlefish

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These repositories also have a notable distinction that many are Erlang 19+ only now, and do not maintain perfect backwards compatibility with earlier versions of Erlang.

[...and, used by Antidote, Lasp, and some others.]

Christopher

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 9:46 PM Heinz N. Gies <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Luke,
The Kyorai org is a collection of (ex)basho projects that have been forked and maintained outside of basho for a while now. While it was a bit of a scattered effort in the beginning the demise of basho ended up causing us to collect them in a central place.

How things go forward really depends a bit on how things go forward with riak and the basho PI, and the community around it.

Cheers,
Heinz

> On 27. Sep 2017, at 20:44, Luke Bakken <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi again everyone -
>
> Apologies for not setting a subject in my first email.
>
> Of course this is Bet365's decision. The purpose of this message
> thread is to let people know that the RabbitMQ team is willing to
> maintain cuttlefish. I also found the following more-up-to-date fork
> and will be looking at the changes there -
>
> https://github.com/Kyorai/cuttlefish
>
> Thanks again!
> Luke
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Bryan Hunt
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi Luke,
>>
>> It’s for bet365 to make that decision.
>>
>> For the good of the general population the following would be nice:
>>
>> a) Upgrade to rebar3
>> b) Upgrade Erlang version support so it compiles under Erlang 20 (if it doesn’t already)
>> c) Package uploaded to hex.pm
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>>
>>> On 27 Sep 2017, at 18:59, Luke Bakken <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Riak users -
>>>
>>> The next RabbitMQ release (3.7.0) will use cuttlefish for its
>>> configuration. I'm writing to express interest on behalf of the
>>> RabbitMQ team in taking over maintenance of the project. At the
>>> moment, we forked cuttlefish to the RabbitMQ organization [0] to fix a
>>> couple pressing issues. After that, it would be great if the
>>> repository could be transferred to either its own, new organization or
>>> to the RabbitMQ organization entirely. Basho transferred both
>>> Webmachine and Lager to their own independent organizations, for
>>> instance (github.com/webmachine, github.com/erlang-lager)
>>>
>>> Once transferred, GitHub will take care of all the necessary
>>> redirections from the Basho organization to cuttlefish's new home.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Luke Bakken
>>>
>>> [0] - https://github.com/rabbitmq/cuttlefish
>
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RE: A new home for basho/cuttlefish

Martin.Cox
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Hi Heinz

I'm glad that we're on the same page. :) Completely understand the circumstances that led to the Kyorai org being created - it certainly made a lot of sense, given the situation.

Agree with your comment about it taking time to get back to a good working state, and that's kinda why I felt that we're better retaining Cuttlefish, instead of adding to the fragmentation. Definitely on board with reducing the number of forks and reconciling back to canonical repos, wherever possible.

Thanks

Martin Cox
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________________________________________
From: Heinz N. Gies [[hidden email]]
Sent: 28 September 2017 14:45
To: Martin Cox
Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: A new home for basho/cuttlefish

Martin,
I fully agree. We started the Kyorai org log before it was public knowledge that bet365 (or anyone) would buy the IP of basho and done under the assumption that the basho repository would either be deleted or end up rotting there. The goal was/is to prevent fragmentation and give the community still using the repos a home where they can come together.

That said I think it’ll take some time getting everything back together. The repos there are currently the mirrors of what is on hex, and due to how hard it was to get changes merged to the basho repositories have all diverged to some degree or another. So there is work to be done to get it all back in sync. I can’t speak for the other people who maintain repos on Kyorai (so I suspect they feel the same) but I’d be eager to get it all back together and kill of forks.

Cheers,
Heinz

> On 28. Sep 2017, at 09:50, [hidden email] wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> Whilst bet365 did buy the Basho IP, they have emphasised that the entire catalogue of repositories is to be handed over to the community and that they are not intending to be an overarching authority on decision making, but will steer the project just as much as any other involved parties would. So, from my perspective, it is not a decision for bet365 to take, but for the community as a whole.
>
> Personally, I don't see a lot of merit in moving the repo away from its current home at this point in time. Once the legal processes have concluded and people have the facility to manage the repository configurations, anyone interested in contributing and maintaining can be added - enabling the RabbitMQ team to work on Cuttlefish without the upheaval of moving repositories around. When the dust has settled, then revisit the question of spinning the project out into its own org.
>
> What's everyone else's thoughts on this?
>
> Martin Cox
> Software Developer
> Hillside (Technology) Limited
> m: +44(0) 7585 990614
> t: +44(0) 8456 000 365
> e: [hidden email]
> bet365.com
>
> ________________________________________
> From: riak-users [[hidden email]] on behalf of Heinz N. Gies [[hidden email]]
> Sent: 27 September 2017 20:45
> To: Luke Bakken
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: A new home for basho/cuttlefish
>
> Hi Luke,
> The Kyorai org is a collection of (ex)basho projects that have been forked and maintained outside of basho for a while now. While it was a bit of a scattered effort in the beginning the demise of basho ended up causing us to collect them in a central place.
>
> How things go forward really depends a bit on how things go forward with riak and the basho PI, and the community around it.
>
> Cheers,
> Heinz
>
>> On 27. Sep 2017, at 20:44, Luke Bakken <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi again everyone -
>>
>> Apologies for not setting a subject in my first email.
>>
>> Of course this is Bet365's decision. The purpose of this message
>> thread is to let people know that the RabbitMQ team is willing to
>> maintain cuttlefish. I also found the following more-up-to-date fork
>> and will be looking at the changes there -
>>
>> https://github.com/Kyorai/cuttlefish
>>
>> Thanks again!
>> Luke
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Bryan Hunt
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hi Luke,
>>>
>>> It’s for bet365 to make that decision.
>>>
>>> For the good of the general population the following would be nice:
>>>
>>> a) Upgrade to rebar3
>>> b) Upgrade Erlang version support so it compiles under Erlang 20 (if it doesn’t already)
>>> c) Package uploaded to hex.pm
>>>
>>> Bryan
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 27 Sep 2017, at 18:59, Luke Bakken <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Riak users -
>>>>
>>>> The next RabbitMQ release (3.7.0) will use cuttlefish for its
>>>> configuration. I'm writing to express interest on behalf of the
>>>> RabbitMQ team in taking over maintenance of the project. At the
>>>> moment, we forked cuttlefish to the RabbitMQ organization [0] to fix a
>>>> couple pressing issues. After that, it would be great if the
>>>> repository could be transferred to either its own, new organization or
>>>> to the RabbitMQ organization entirely. Basho transferred both
>>>> Webmachine and Lager to their own independent organizations, for
>>>> instance (github.com/webmachine, github.com/erlang-lager)
>>>>
>>>> Once transferred, GitHub will take care of all the necessary
>>>> redirections from the Basho organization to cuttlefish's new home.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Luke Bakken
>>>>
>>>> [0] - https://github.com/rabbitmq/cuttlefish
>>
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